There is virtually no information about this device anywhere. I’m sure that there was a promise of a support web site when I bought it, but there is no sign of anything. The Dixons group (Dixons, PC World and Currys) are the only retailers in the UK and they know nothing about them nor do their parts/accessories agency, Partmaster. There is not much about this device on the various GPS forums yet either.
The Advent GPS 400 is made by Medion as the, now discontinued, PNA 400 re-badged. Their web shop has some accessories including the external antenna and a Traffic Message receiver which I presume work OK with this model.
The box says it uses Navteq software but in fact the software is Navigon 5 (I think v5.1) but with a few modifications, mostly cosmetic; the maps are by Navteq. The only features that I can see are missing are the on-screen qwerty keyboard, signpost information, the info bar and speed limit display and some that would only apply to a PDA device. There is an upgrade to v5.2 on the Navigon download site but I don’t know if it would work with this device. Similarly they have maps available (at a price), including North America, and I imagine these would work with the device. Navteq only sell maps direct for manufacturer’s in-car systems.
Performance
This is not a comparison with other devices, only having used a hand held GPSr before. Some of the faults may be unique but others may be common to all such systems.
- The physical device seems to have been designed for a left-hander. The battery bulge/hand grip is on the right and the stylus withdraws from the back left. If you use it the natural way around your index finger tends to switch the screen off or eject the memory card.
- There is very little in the documentation about the external buttons. Some of the functions are obvious but others are not. The sockets for headphones and external power are close together and very similar, fortunately the plugs don’t engage in the wrong socket. A full set of connecting cables, a windscreen mount and a carry case are provided.
- Getting started proved very easy following the large format idiot’s guide enclosed.
- Entering destinations is pretty straight forward so long as you know the full address. It only accepts partial post codes and if this covers more than one village or district then you need to select one before going on to enter the street. In some cases the best bet is to get close and then use the map.
- When navigating, the directions given are clear and there is plenty of volume from a voice we have dubbed “Sat. Nav. Lady.” Perhaps she says “Please” a little too often but otherwise there are few problems. There is no choice of voice but the volume is adjustable. The use of the phrase “Bear left/right” is sometimes ambiguous meaning either to turn off or just a bend in the road. I think that this is because the system has no concept of priority at road junctions. The A4137 junction with the A48 on route from Hereford to Monmouth was not announced at all.
- It is very good and quick at recalculating routes if you make a mistake, or deliberately overrule the instructions, and she doesn’t complain either <g>
- There is a tendency on twisty roads for the apparent position to wander off the road. This can lead to delayed or completely incorrect instructions; in the worst case to “Make a U turn when possible.” I am hoping that this is down to the poor reception behind our metallised windscreen and an external aerial will solve it.
- The currency of the (UK) map varies. Some very new features are there but some older ones are not. A few junctions are missing altogether (e.g. Sussex Place junction in St. Paul’s, Bristol) and it doesn’t acknowledge mini roundabouts at all. The weakest aspect of the maps is the POI (Points of Interest) data. Many of the petrol stations and garages are incorrect; either missing (from the map), wrong or closed.
- There doesn’t seem to be any recognition of the quality of roads beyond their classification and sometimes speed limit. Examples are: the A5 between Llangollen and Bangor is very twisty, narrow and slow despite its trunk designation. It is preferred over the A55 Expressway on a journey from Shrewsbury to Holyhead. It also likes the A466 Wye valley road. All routes from our house in Redland to the M32 seem to use Brookfield Lane, a very minor residential road which I wouldn’t dream of taking a car down unless I had to, and then turn right onto the busy A38!
- Possibly for the same reason, the ETAs given are rather optimistic. It expects you to be able to achieve the designated speed limit at all times and no allowance is made for negotiating junctions. Some adjustment seems to be made for built up areas and the target speed reduced to 20 or 25mph but even that is not enough with modern traffic. I would allow at least 10% extra time for any journey and more if the traffic was likely to be busy.
- It thinks that the quickest route from Bristol to Bromley is via Central London, ignoring both the M25 and the South Circular. As this was our first use of the device ,we chickened out and don’t know exactly which route it was planning to use. I thought that we had said avoid tolls and expected it to not go into the Congestion Zone but we may have got it wrong. Similarly it has no qualms about taking us over the Severn Bridges in either direction.
- It comes with the UK maps preloaded and street level maps for the rest of Europe on CD. Together with the large 512MB removable memory card this gives it more potential than many devices on the market. It also runs one of the PDA versions of Windows and a copy of ActiveSync is provided giving the potential to run other software. It comes with an MP3 player which we are not particularly interested in but it may have an afterlife as a picture viewer when the navigation features cease to be useful.
Conclusion
Despite some of the rather negative comments we rather like the device. It is easy to use and very good for travelling to places which you don’t know, just that you can usually do better if you do know the roads, however the difference is rarely more than a few minutes.
cant put in any house numbers .why?
Hi Alan,
We don’t get that problem. It can be a bit tricky to find the street sometimes but once you are there you just need to change to the number field and put it in. The other thing you need to do is put the address in the right order, the town must be entered before the street which mut be before the number. What symptoms do you get—can you suggest an address that you can’t enter and I will try it?
Rick
Can you help, I have just purchased an Advent 400 and so far am very pleased with it. I found your review very informative and helpful in my decision to purchase. Now I am soon going to embark on a journey from the UK to South of France, just one problem I don’t seem to be able to download the European Mapping onto the memory card supplied, is it that there is insufficient space or is the card supplied locked, or am I unable to download through the sat nav. I have followed the instuctions as best I can, I think I have done it right, I have established a connection between the sat Nav and the computer, I have downloaded the ActiveSync stuff and have put the disc in with the European Mapping on it. The list of European destinations appear and I have selected France, which then appears at the top of the next page, then when I click on it a new box appears with a pop up saying that I cannot perform this task or something like this. Apologies for my vagueness but I am reluctant to attempt to try again whilst typing this in case I lose what I have typed. I know it’s vague and I sound like a real technophobe, but honestly i’m not that bad, I keep telling myself. I do not have a memory card port on my computer, but my printer has one for uploading or is it downloading pictures from my digital camera SD memory card. Please help me if you can, I am trying my best to stay up to date with technology, and I don’t thik I am doing to bad for my age. So if you can be of assistance it would be greatly appreciated.
Dean.
Hi Dean,
We had a similar problem. After two attempts we did manage to get the France maps onto the device using the supplied link and software, but it wasn’t easy. The main thing we discovered was that it was VERY slow to the extent that the first time I thought it had jammed. The second attempt we just left it running while we went shopping and by the time we got back it had finished. Just at the moment I don’t remember exactly how we did it, but I think it was like this (I will check later). [now checked]
The Active Sync software doesn’t do what it says it does without further configuration but I will leave that for another time. Just assume that it is running for this note. Plug in the device and ignore the Active Sync popup etc. Make sure it is using mains power, you don’t want the battery to run flat part way through.
If you open My Computer you should find that the GPS is listed as a
new external disk with a drive letter[Mobile Device]. If you open it you can see the files on the device. One of the folders is the external memory card [Storage card] containing the map software. You should see a folder containing Britain in there.Insert your CD and copy the France map (in its folder) to your hard drive (say My Documents). I suggest this because trying to go from the CD straight to the Advent is going to be even slower.
Now with the Advent memory card folder open use normal windows actions to copy the France folder from My Documents to this place. You should see the normal copying status box with the flying pages. If it all looks like it is working just leave it for an hour or two. When you come back it should have finished with France on the device. If you get any further problems let me know and I will get the thing out and verify the steps (and also post about Active Sync). [now done]
From this point you are on your own because we have not tried to activate the France maps, perhaps you can tell me how you get on. I am pretty sure you can’t plot a route from England to France in one go. [now done see link below]
[updated to correct small errors 20 Jun 2006]
Can you help ? I was rather stupid and formated the wrong sd card. Although the disc that came with my Advent gps contained the installation software, there are no maps on there. Does anyone know where I can download the maps ?
Regards
Ian
I would suggest going back to the shop. Unless you had some bargain deal of an incomplete system, you should have had three disks with the package. One marked “Quickinstaller, User Manual & Adobe Reader”; one marked “Support CD” which contains ActiveSync; and a third one marked “Map Material” which will contain not only the UK which was on your SD card but also the rest of Western Europe.
Otherwise, if you are in the Bristol area you can borrow ours!
Hello Rick,
Thank god i found this blog, as i was despairing of finding any info at all on this product. My other half bought one off of e-bay, together with all fixtures and cds. It’s in very good condition and already had the maps for UK and Ireland loaded. However he decided the tomtom software would be better and proceeded to try and download tomtom on to it. Despite the tomtom software appearing to have been downloaded, there was no sign of it in the actual device. In the meanwhile my other half did not rest until he actually managed to format the SD, and as a result I have one very expensive and useless device sitting on my desk… the message i have on its screen is:
‘Application software not installed! Please insert SD/MMC card and click OK to intall (device will perform soft-reset)’.
Please help!
Hi Babe,
What the device does when you switch it on for the first time or after a hard reset is to install the software from the SD drive into the internal memory. If it is not there then it will complain either if the SD card is ejected (quite easy with my thumbs) or if it is blank—that is what yours is doing. With a blank SD drive you will need to reload it. You can either do this through the USB cable or using a computer/flash drive interface.
As detailed in my last comment there should be one CD with the software on it and one with the maps (you can forget the third one as it is not essential). If you have those then you can put the relevant files onto the SD card just by plugging in the USB interface and opening it as a disk drive. I don’t think it matters if you have an error on the screen, but I have not tested that. If you need the details of the actual files I will post them here (email me at the address to be found at the house at the bottom of the page).
I think it is possible to run other software on the device (subject to suitable licences and permissions) but I have not tried it.
HI again Rick,
I would appreciate you telling me about the details of the files i need, as i have tried loading the software again from the cd but it doesn’t seem to work! I think i need an idiot’s guide to install the software, as i didn’t do it the first time around (it was already done as explained before).
Thanks very much for your assistance.
@scarybabe24
I have remembered that I did another post on the Advent GPS400 file Structure. The third picture down shows what you should have on the SD card.
To copy the files onto the card you seem to need to install ActiveSync onto your PC (contrary to what I said in my previous comment). This can be found on one of the CDs you have. You don’t need to set up a Partnership, I have found no benefit in that. Further posts about ActiveSync can be found in my GPS thread. Click the Explore button in ActiveSync (first having plugged in the Advent and switched it on) and you will see the file structure in the picture. Open the Storage Card folder and it is probably empty.
The software files you need can be found on the QuickInstaller disk. autorun.inf and advent.ico are on the root of the CD and autorunce.exe and mnavdce.cab are under \English\Installation. Copy these four to the SD card. From the Maps CD copy the folder British Isles and all of its contents onto the card (Warning: this takes absolutely ages; make sure you have mains power on the Advent and just leave it to finish).
According to the book that is all you need. Now to get the software to load you may need to do a Soft Reset (poke a pointy thing into the little hole on the underside marked Reset) or, as a last resort, turn off the master power switch and back on. This is also on the bottom of the device.
Hi again Rick,
Many thanks for your help. We are now up and running thanks to your detailed explanation. However we tried to upload the Spain and Portugal map but haven’t been so lucky. What do we need to do?
Babe,
I am about to attempt that myself; I will let you know how I get along. It may be rather large so perhaps it doesn’t fit on the card at the same time as the British Isles. France is OK as we used that this summer—and very good it was too, even knew to send you around the roundabouts backwards<grin>.
Update: The Map Material disc must be a DVD because there is over 2GB of data on it. Spain and Portugal copied across OK. It does apparently keep stopping and starting again but I think this is an illusion caused by rotten software (which we already know ActiveSync is). It also seems to be more reliable if you copy the folder onto the computer hard drive first and load it from there rather than try to go straight from disc to card. Otherwise it was OK. S&P was 98MB, UK was 117MB and France was 223MB so in theory you should be able to get all three on a 512MB card at the same time.
Hi Rick,
… great website – very informative!
In the Curry’s Christmas catalogue last year, the Advent pna400 is listed as being able to display digital jpeg photos. I would love to be able to do this, but havent a clue as to how to do it! There is nothing in the manual! Any ideas … has anyone tried it with any success? Any help would be greatly appreciated … many thanks!
Interesting, I haven’t seen that. I have heard rumours that you can run other software on there, including a picture viewer which would be ideal considering the large screen. Under the covers it is just a PocketPC so anything ought to be possible. There is a thread here which is discussing how to run other navigation software with a measure of sucess and also things like speed camera databases.
Beyond that, I don’t know, I haven’t tried it.
Thanks for replying Rick! I’ll keep you posted if I have any success!
Hello,
Judging by your web address you bought your advent at PC World at Truro as did I.I have been using it for nearly a year and have absolutely no problems with it.In common with other systems there are times to ignore it but that comes with experience.
The purpose of this posting is that I would like a second mount(just the clip that holds the receiver)Judging from your comments a trip to PC World would be a waste of time.
Regards
Hi Alan,
Close! We actually got ours at PC World Bristol. But, yes it would be a waste of time. Your best bet is to try the Medion Shop. I have got accessories from there before (External aerial). I don’t know if they have the mount you need but are about the only possible source. We would like one that would clip to the vent grill rather than the sucker but have not been able to find one.
Thanks for your quick response.I was hoping to get one before going home to France at the weekend but that isn’t going to be possible.I’ll follow up Medion and see what happens.
Regards
Thanks for your advice.It turns out this system is still available on http://www.medion.com/fr at 239€
Also the mount(fixation auto) is available at 19.95€
I live in Brittany so paying in Euros is better for me but I wouldn’t have found this site without your help.