There is virtually no information about this device anywhere. I’m sure that there was a promise of a support web site when I bought it, but there is no sign of anything. The Dixons group (Dixons, PC World and Currys) are the only retailers in the UK and they know nothing about them nor do their parts/accessories agency, Partmaster. There is not much about this device on the various GPS forums yet either.
The Advent GPS 400 is made by Medion as the, now discontinued, PNA 400 re-badged. Their web shop has some accessories including the external antenna and a Traffic Message receiver which I presume work OK with this model.
The box says it uses Navteq software but in fact the software is Navigon 5 (I think v5.1) but with a few modifications, mostly cosmetic; the maps are by Navteq. The only features that I can see are missing are the on-screen qwerty keyboard, signpost information, the info bar and speed limit display and some that would only apply to a PDA device. There is an upgrade to v5.2 on the Navigon download site but I don’t know if it would work with this device. Similarly they have maps available (at a price), including North America, and I imagine these would work with the device. Navteq only sell maps direct for manufacturer’s in-car systems.
Performance
This is not a comparison with other devices, only having used a hand held GPSr before. Some of the faults may be unique but others may be common to all such systems.
- The physical device seems to have been designed for a left-hander. The battery bulge/hand grip is on the right and the stylus withdraws from the back left. If you use it the natural way around your index finger tends to switch the screen off or eject the memory card.
- There is very little in the documentation about the external buttons. Some of the functions are obvious but others are not. The sockets for headphones and external power are close together and very similar, fortunately the plugs don’t engage in the wrong socket. A full set of connecting cables, a windscreen mount and a carry case are provided.
- Getting started proved very easy following the large format idiot’s guide enclosed.
- Entering destinations is pretty straight forward so long as you know the full address. It only accepts partial post codes and if this covers more than one village or district then you need to select one before going on to enter the street. In some cases the best bet is to get close and then use the map.
- When navigating, the directions given are clear and there is plenty of volume from a voice we have dubbed “Sat. Nav. Lady.” Perhaps she says “Please” a little too often but otherwise there are few problems. There is no choice of voice but the volume is adjustable. The use of the phrase “Bear left/right” is sometimes ambiguous meaning either to turn off or just a bend in the road. I think that this is because the system has no concept of priority at road junctions. The A4137 junction with the A48 on route from Hereford to Monmouth was not announced at all.
- It is very good and quick at recalculating routes if you make a mistake, or deliberately overrule the instructions, and she doesn’t complain either <g>
- There is a tendency on twisty roads for the apparent position to wander off the road. This can lead to delayed or completely incorrect instructions; in the worst case to “Make a U turn when possible.” I am hoping that this is down to the poor reception behind our metallised windscreen and an external aerial will solve it.
- The currency of the (UK) map varies. Some very new features are there but some older ones are not. A few junctions are missing altogether (e.g. Sussex Place junction in St. Paul’s, Bristol) and it doesn’t acknowledge mini roundabouts at all. The weakest aspect of the maps is the POI (Points of Interest) data. Many of the petrol stations and garages are incorrect; either missing (from the map), wrong or closed.
- There doesn’t seem to be any recognition of the quality of roads beyond their classification and sometimes speed limit. Examples are: the A5 between Llangollen and Bangor is very twisty, narrow and slow despite its trunk designation. It is preferred over the A55 Expressway on a journey from Shrewsbury to Holyhead. It also likes the A466 Wye valley road. All routes from our house in Redland to the M32 seem to use Brookfield Lane, a very minor residential road which I wouldn’t dream of taking a car down unless I had to, and then turn right onto the busy A38!
- Possibly for the same reason, the ETAs given are rather optimistic. It expects you to be able to achieve the designated speed limit at all times and no allowance is made for negotiating junctions. Some adjustment seems to be made for built up areas and the target speed reduced to 20 or 25mph but even that is not enough with modern traffic. I would allow at least 10% extra time for any journey and more if the traffic was likely to be busy.
- It thinks that the quickest route from Bristol to Bromley is via Central London, ignoring both the M25 and the South Circular. As this was our first use of the device ,we chickened out and don’t know exactly which route it was planning to use. I thought that we had said avoid tolls and expected it to not go into the Congestion Zone but we may have got it wrong. Similarly it has no qualms about taking us over the Severn Bridges in either direction.
- It comes with the UK maps preloaded and street level maps for the rest of Europe on CD. Together with the large 512MB removable memory card this gives it more potential than many devices on the market. It also runs one of the PDA versions of Windows and a copy of ActiveSync is provided giving the potential to run other software. It comes with an MP3 player which we are not particularly interested in but it may have an afterlife as a picture viewer when the navigation features cease to be useful.
Conclusion
Despite some of the rather negative comments we rather like the device. It is easy to use and very good for travelling to places which you don’t know, just that you can usually do better if you do know the roads, however the difference is rarely more than a few minutes.
Hi Tara, thanks for your kind comments and sorry to be so late in responding. I have been de-spamming my email and managed to block comments from my own blog—doh!
Thanks for pointing out the copying of the whole folder. I am thinking that I need to roll all of this information up into a new post as this one is getting unwieldy.
Have any of your readers experienced the following problem?
Using the system in enhanced mode I wish to do some ‘Route Planning’
I enter Location A, and then Location B, and ask the system to calculate the route. I keep getting an error message that reads “Unable to calculate the route. The following destination is isolated: ” and then lists Location B.
I have tried to use different maps (i.e. France, Spain etc) but still get the same error.
For example I asked the system to calculate the route from my home village – Manthorpe, to Hinchingbrooke Hospital in Huntingdon. The Hospital is on the database. Calculating the route gives the usual error message. The map shows the route OK. If I enter “Hinchingbrooke Park Road” it calculates the route OK . If I then ask it to calculate from Hinchingbrooke Park Road to the hospital it also works – no error message.
If I reverse the route it sometimes works.
Another example was trying to get a route from the Car Terminal in Calais to a Hotel (listed on the database) in Saran (France). I got the error message again but when I reversed the locations the route was calculated . Both locations are clearly shown on the map.
I then ‘relaxed’ the location in Calais to just ‘Calais’ leaving off the address, and detailed location, and it worked fine. I experimented with similar data on the ‘Spain’ map with the same results.
It is frustrating enough when you have the time to sit at a desk and fiddle with the beast, but it is no good if you are in a rush or on the road.
I have software version 5.1 dated Aug 10 2005. Has there been an upgrade which is available to possibly get rid of this ‘bug’
Hi Guys,
Please help…..
I too like others on here tried installing tom tom software onto my Medion MDPNA250 but failed. Now that i am tying to install my original software I keep getting the message “Application software not installed please insert sd/mmc card to install) I have all the medion nav 5 disks and maps but have tried everything.
PLEASE HELP ANYONE !
Robin,
I think the problem may be related to some of the POIs. If they are off road then it can have difficulty calculating a route. What I usually do in that situation is select the POI then show map and finally select a point on the nearest road as a destination.
Kev,
have you tried a hard reset. i.e. switch off at the switch on the bottom for a minute or so and then switch back on again. This will clear the main memory in the machine.
Thanks for your quick response.
Have tried hard reset but no go.
I have just downloaded the 5.2 upgrade from Navigon. Just waiting to pluck up enough courage to give it a go!
Regards
Robin
Hi Rick,
I have just done a “hard reset” at which point it asked me to select language, then it comes up to say “installation files not found in sd/mmc card”
Having formatted the sd card I then copied the cab file from my cd navigator 5 to the sd card..
Is this the correct thing to do ??
I do apologise I am a Amateur when it comes to sat navs……
Thanks Rick for sparing me your time !
So am I really!
The post here Advent GPS400 File Structure shows a list of the files that should be on the card (third picture). If that doesn’t work, then I am as lost as you.
Robin, the hard reset message was for Kev, not you, but it can do no harm. I would be interested to hear how you get on with the 5.2 upgrade. I haven’t heard of anyone having tried it yet. Don’t let that put you off, it can’t do any harm because you can always revert. It is easier if you have a second SD card handy.
Hi Rick, I just wanted to say what a fantastic Blog. I have the 400 also know as the PNA400. I have just installed a 2gb card into mine. Bought on Ebay £22. I have managed to get all bar one map onto it without any problems. I went straight from disc to card. I set it going then watched a film when I came back it had finished.I’m off to spain in March this is why i needed the other maps on. It’s a shame I can’t get a seemless map of Europe because if I could I’d buy one. I really like this unit. The motorbike setting is excellent I got a differnt mount which goe’s on my bike from a Medion sat nav the brackets are the same. I look forward to going through your links as I am interested to know if other systems will run on this unit, for the cost of a SD card it’s worth the experiment. I’ll keep you informed. Great Blog it’s already answered so many oif my worries. Thanks Dave
Rick,
I tried the 5.2 software but no luck. It boots OK, but Navigator won’t load.
I have gone back to the original but had a bit of a sweat because, I too, had the error message about not being able to read the installation files. I found that by ejecting the card and replacing it 3 or 4 times it eventually booted. Dirty contact, perhaps, a gremlin most likely.
Robin
hi Rick,
thanks for the help last night.
i have now come to the conclusion that i am installing them wrong. I have nav 5 but it installs but wont run, it says that something is missing. Any ideas ??
hi ppl if any1 here has advent gps 400 original files can you please email me them on [deleted]
The files are on the CDs that came with the package – they are, in any case, far too big to email.
I think the Navigon Transonic 5000 may be an identical beast – pictures of it certainly look the same as the PNA and the software is stated to be identical. I believe there is also a Mitac Mio with the same hardware but it runs MioMap instead of Navigon/Navteq. Interestingly the windoze registry in the Advent contains a number of references to MioMap even though it is not used.
On another note – the 3rd disc in the kit is a DVD not CD (although the label says it is a CD) – there is just too much map data to fit on a CD.
Ok I have the maps backed up but not the orginal software and my advent gps 400 mmc card is dead! I now have a blank 2 gig sd card but need software (not maps). Should I just go ahead and buy tomtom 5 or can i get the original software anywhere?
Hi Pete, the software is all on one of the CDs that came with the package. Another post in this series explains which files you need to put on the card. With a card that size you should be able to get all the maps on as well.
Hi everyone, i bought an Advent GPS 400.Is it possible to convert this so i can have an aviation GPS as well as a car one? i am a pilot also and it would be handy.
Hi Andrew, not as far as I know. Unlike my Garmin, it is not possible to change from “on road” navigation to direct by crow. It is also not easy to enter location by coordinates.
Hello again Rick,
Ref. no. 36 & 37, if anyone is looking for an In-car Charger for the Advent 400/Medion PNA400, I have managed to pursuade Medion to get some in and put them onto their webshop (https://www.medionshop.co.uk). They did say they were only getting a few in, but they still have them in stock almost a week after getting them in. They are £14.99 + £2.99 p+p. They deliver quite quick too.
Maplin do not sell a generic in car charger for this model (I did try).
Thanks for your help.
Nette
Thanks Nette, I am sure people will appreciate that. I have also noticed recently that a number of these devices, either complete kits or part systems, are coming up in eBay. I would be wary of buying just the portable bits as we all know how many SatNavs are stolen from cars these days. That is why I now don’t help people who don’t have the original CDs for maps and software.